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A Debate with Rachel Held Evans on Gender Roles

I recently debated the hotly contested theology of gender roles with Rachel Held Evans, a talented writer and speaker.  The forum for the debate is the UK radio show Unbelievable, which has hosted some memorable discussions in the past: Mark Driscoll on British Christianity and Rob Bell on Love Wins, to name two.  Adrian Warnock also joined the conversation and has released a chart on the differences on this matter among evangelicals.

Here’s the program info.  Click the “Listen Now” button to, well, listen.  This was a meaningful discussion from my view of things:

This Week on Unbelievable : Egalitarian vs Complementarian views of men and women

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A controversial blog post by Jared Wilson, quoting pastor Doug Wilson on the role of men and women in sex, recently reignited the debate between complementarians and egalitarians. Rachel Held Evans is a popular US author, blogger and speaker who believes the New Testament supports the equality of men and women in the church and in the home (Egalitarian). Owen Strachan is a theology professor at Boyce College, Kentucky and believes the Bible teaches that men and women have equal dignity but different roles in family and church (Complementarian). UK church blogger Adrian Warnock joins the conversation too as we discuss reactions to the Wilson blog post, how to interpret verses in the Bible about women “submitting” to husbands and “remaining quiet” in church, and more.

 Find out more:

For Rachel Held Evans, click here. For Owen Strachan,click here. For Adrian Warnock, click here


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An Essay on the Awesomeness of Men

Denny Burk has just announced the release of the latest Journal for Biblical Manhood & Womanhood.  Here are the contents and Burk’s introduction to the journal:

The Spring 2012 issue of The Journal for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood is now online, and you can download the entire issue from the CBMW website. This issue includes articles from Russell Moore, John Piper, and more. There are several book reviews, including Heath Lambert’s take on the controversial book Real Marriage. Owen Strachan has contributed an excellent article about the interchangeability of men’s and women’s roles. Louis Markos has some important reflections on gender-neutral translations of the Bible. The table of contents is below, and you can download individual articles from there.

Standard Fare
Denny Burk Editorial
Various Odds & Ends
Essays & Perspectives
Russell D. Moore Women, Stop Submitting to Men
John Piper “The Frank and Manly Mr. Ryle”: The Value of a Masculine Ministry
Owen Strachan Of “Dad Moms” and “Man Fails”: An Essay on Men and Awesomeness
Louis Markos From the NRSV to the New NIV: Why Gender-Neutral Language Represents an Enforced Agenda Rather than a Natural Evolution
From the Sacred Desk
Denny Burk How Do We Speak About Homosexuality?
Gender Studies in Review
Heath Lambert The Ironies of Real Marriage // A Review of Mark Driscoll,The Truth about Sex
Kenneth Magnuson The End of Sexual Identity … or Sexual Morality? // A Review of Jenell Williams Paris, The End of Sexual Identity
Todd L. Miles Cultivating Womanhood in a World of Competing Voices // A Review of James Dobson, Bringing Up Girls
Andrew David Naselli and Jennifer J. Naselli Give Them Jesus: Parenting with the Gospel // A Review of Elyse Fitzpatrick and Jessica Thompson, Give Them Grace
Courtney Reissig A Valuable Historical Study // A Review of Diana Lynn Severance, Feminine Threads
Here’s a teaser from my essay on “Dad Moms” (Denny asked me to revisit the original blog in a longer essay–it was pretty fun to write):

In November 2011, I was watching a football game, minding my own business, when a Tide commercial popped up on the television. It is not a commonplace that I pay great attention to advertisements for laundry detergent. But there was something different about this one. It began by showing a man folding clothes in a cheerfully lit bedroom. He introduced himself with this odd statement: “Hi.  I’m a Dad mom.  That means while my wife works, I’m at home being awesome.” This was interesting. I had not heard of a “Dad mom” before. This commercial suddenly had my full attention.


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Al Mohler and Patrick Schreiner on Seminary: Why Not Get All You Can?

I’ve enjoyed a recent round of posts on seminary from SBTS MDiv graduate Patrick Schreiner.  Patrick is a sharp thinker and writer.  I would encourage you to read his short, punchy posts on the seminary experience and how to do it well.

From his insightful blog, Ad Fontes:

“The windup of my 10 pieces of counsel:

  1. Take the hardest classes.
  2. Learn the Languages.
  3. Take some professors who will teach you the art of exegesis, and others who will teach you the science.
  4. Be in ministry/don’t be in ministry.
  5. Take teachers, not classes.
  6. Concerning grades.
  7. Stay away from distance learning.
  8. Take teachers who will teach you a method.
  9. Go for depth and breadth.
  10. Seek out a mentor. 
  11. In sum: Love God and do as you please.”

Here’s a snippet from number six that I thought was well-done:

Dr. Shawn Wright put it perfectly; “For some of you it would be a sin to get an A in this class, for others of you it would be a sin not to get an A.”

Dr. Wright understands everyone comes in with a different situation lingering behind the happy faces in class. Some are working full time, and have 3 kids at home, and taking a full load. Others are single and being supported from the outside.

Generally it is right to try to get good grades. You will probably learn more and get the most out of the classes by striving for A’s. Therefore study hard and learn the material.

However, at the same time, if you are not looking to get your PhD or teach, it does not matter as much. Few church search committees will bypass you because of a C on your transcript. (They rarely ask for the transcript).

For some, the most spiritual thing to do before a test, is to go home, take care of their kids, cook for their wives, and not study for the test tomorrow.

This is good stuff.  Many moons ago, I wrote a three part series on my own reflections from the Southern Seminary MDiv: Seasons of a Seminarian parts one, two, and three.  Glad to see other seminarians passing on advice about the long, hard, and highly rewarding task of completing an MDiv, the biggest, baddest master’s degree of them all.  There is a reason churches look for the MDiv.  It signifies that you have labored to gain tools for Christocentric ministry in order that you might “Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15)

As Al Mohler said recently on a Gospel Coalition panel (listen to the panel audio with Mark Driscoll, Mohler, Ligon Duncan, David Helm, Bryan Chappell, and Don Carson), why would you not want to do all you could to prepare for the ministry of God’s Word, the most precious, complex, and meaningful endeavor one could undertake?  Why would you not get every drop of learning you can?

(Image: SBTS Archives)


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The Link 10.17.09: John Wooden, I Am Second, and eastmountainsouth

wooden1. John Wooden is still dropping quotables.  How many of us will be doing that at age 99? (Image: LakersTopBuzz)

2. Came across this evangelistic website somewhere, and found it interesting: I Am Second.  Check it out.  Here’s the blog.  And here’s a story about it.  A creative way to witness, seems like.

3. The Kevin Durant conundrum: such good stats, yet a bad plus/minus rating (which means, basically, that his team loses more points than they gain when he’s on the court).  What was that in the back?  Did you say…defense?

4. Mark Driscoll is now writing for the Washington Post’s “On Faith” deal.  Cool.

5. Southern Seminary theologian-in-training Dave Schrock searches out what it means for every church member to be a “biblical theologian,” working off of Thabiti Anyabwile’s material.  Great stuff.

6. Quoting Jason Kovacs, Z lists some piercing statistics related to orphans.

7. Have you ever heard of eastmountainsouth?  To put this simply, they make beautiful music.  If windswept prairies and forgotten towns could play instruments and record them in Dreamworks labs, this is what they would sound like.  Don’t get hung up on the recording date–buy this album.

–Have a blessed weekend, all.


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Wise Words from Mark Driscoll on “Loads” and “Burdens”

mark-driscollI found this somewhere on the web and thought it was well worth pondering together (does anyone forget where they found content? ).  In the quotations below, pastor Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church (Seattle, Washington) defines what he sees as the difference between a “load” and a “burden” that we carry in our personal lives:

A “load” is a light enough pack that someone should be expected to carry it alone. Practically, this means that the typical person needs to find a job, pay their bills, read the Bible, attend church, pursue Christian friends, pray, repent of sin, share their faith, watch their diet, exercise, and look after themselves and their spouse and children if applicable.

A “burden” is a heavy load that is simply too much for one person to bear without the loving help of Christian friends. Practically, the person with cancer or another debilitating ailment, the mother of young children who is abandoned by her husband, the poor elderly widow who cannot pay her bills, and others like them should not feel guilty for seeking reasonable help nor should they be chastised for doing so. Rather, the church exists in part to help lessen their burden by taking some of the financial, emotional, and practical weight out of their pack and carrying it for them.

He goes on to suggest a helpful practice for ministry:

One key to ministry is discerning what is a load someone else has to carry (in which case we show concern) and what is a burden we and others need to help carry (in which case we take some responsibility).

He concludes with a nice exhortation to not extract too much from our church leaders and thus become part of their pastoral “burden”:

Are you someone who is expecting too much time, energy, money, and/or investment from the leaders in your church? Which loads do you need to just buck up and carry without whining until someone else does your job? Have you manipulated others’ concern for your load to get them to take on your responsibilities as their burden in the name of loving Christian community?

This is a nice piece, and these are sound words.  I was challenged by it to do all I can not to be a burden to my pastors.  It can behoove all of us, I think, to reflect on how we can serve our churches rather than primarily asking them to serve us and our personal desires.

Exhortation like that of Driscoll, of course, can do much to create a culture in which the leaders love the people, the people love the leaders, and each group seeks to outdo the other in serving one another in the name of Christ.

(Photo: Adrian Schoonmaker)

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The Link 9.25.09: Glenn Beck, The Way We Die, and Driscoll’s Free Stuff

GlennBeckThis is an eclectic day.  As usual.  For the report on Ravi Zacharias, see number 7.

1. Time Magazine recently ran a piece on conservative commentator Glenn Beck.  Interesting read.

2. A piece to read from the NYT on the debate over health-care, end-of-life issues, and “death panels.” There’s a bunch to sort out here, but we need to note at least one thing: while it’s important to focus on reforming end-of-life care, Christians have a huge interest in preserving the lives of the elderly and the right of the elderly and infirmed to live.

3. Mark Driscoll lists some free stuff that Mars Hill is and has been giving away.

4. Just heard this cutting-edge Chicago band: Milano.  Check out “Zombie World” toward the end: “the dead are going to live, the living are going to die.”  That’s going to be true, one day soon.

5. Theologian and Evangelical Theological Society president Bruce Ware on “Missional Christology.”

6. Soon and very soon, Andrew Sherwood of 9Marks is going to blog the “God Exposed” at Southeastern Seminary featuring names like Dever, Akin, Anyabwile, and McKinley.  My friends on Baptist21 are doing a panel: here’s a pic.  Looks like another packed event for B21…

7. For those who are wondering, the audio and video from the Henry Center’s Kantzer Lectures and Ravi Zacharias events will be online soon.  We had an incredible response to Ravi’s visit–ATO Chapel was completely filled, between 100-200 people filled the overflow room as well, and we had many more by webcast (including some of you–thanks for watching!).  We are grateful to God for this response, for Ravi’s global ministry, and the chance to participate in it in our small corner of things.

–Have a great and God-saturated weekend, all.


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Exceptional Pastoral Ministry Internships: CHBC, TBI, NECEP, and More

mark-deverThis is a post that needs writing.  So here we go: a primer on the best pastoral ministry internships that I am aware of.  Please note that I don’t know every detail of these programs; I may get something wrong.  Check the websites below for definitive information (and see a great resource by 9Marks on how churches can train pastors).

My personal suggestion for seminarians and pastors-in-training would be to couple your academic learning with an internship.  These are some of the best you’ll find. 

Without further ado, ministry internships for future pastors and leaders that I highly recommend:

The Capitol Hill Baptist Church internship.  Washington, DC.  In my eyes, with TBI (see below), this is the top of the line (full disclosure: I did it).  The program is nothing less than rigorous, the curriculum is expertly plotted, and the staff with which you work is incredible, including Mark Dever, Michael Lawrence, and Matt Schmucker.  This is a semester-long internship.  They offer a generous stipend, housing, and lots of time with supervisors and church members.  Ideal for single men.  If you do the CHBC internship, you’ll come away exhausted, enlived, and educated.  You will learn a ton about polity, ecclesiology, and preaching.  If those things don’t sound important to you now, rest assured that after the internship, you’ll think rather differently.

The Bethelehem Institute.  Minneapolis, MN.  Bethlehem Baptist Church has been shaking this up of late, and truth be told, I’m not exactly sure what form TBI is now taking in light of the MDiv being offered at Bethlehem College & Seminary.  TBI as it now stands is one year long and unaccredited.  At any rate, I have gotten to know many TBI grads through Southern Seminary and Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, and they are without fail godly, smart, and well trained.  How can you not be, when you’re training under John Piper and other highly faithful and gifted men at a great church?

The First Baptist Church of Durham internship.  Durham, NC.  At the church led by Andy Davis, a pastor worth attention and emulation, you can do a semester-long internship based on the CHBC program.  This would be ideal for Southeastern Seminary students, though if you want great training, you could consider moving to Durham, working part-time at Starbucks, and doing this excellent program.  Davis and Andy Winn, a great guy and faithful shepherd, have just started this internship up, and the opportunity is ripe for students/future pastors to go and get top-notch ministry training at a church I love.

The New England Center for Expository Preaching internship.  Hampstead, NH.  Led by Dave Ricard, a choice guy and a personal friend, this internship is ideal for men who want to commit to the hard labor of gospel work in New England.  Semester-long, with lots of preaching opportunities (unlike many of the other internships listed).  Dave has placed a number of his interns in New England churches, one of the most exciting developments in New England Christian circles that I know of.  Small stipend, and again, tremendous opportunity to listen to and preach sermons in the region that started it all in America.

The NETS Center for Church Planting residency.  Williston, VT.  Another excellent ministry training program, this one more intensive.  A two-year residency followed by training.  NETS sends out its planters with funding for church planting, which is terrific.  Grounded in great theology, an aggressive, Christ-centered approach, and led by Wes Pastor, one of the more dynamic guys you’ll meet.  For those who have a few years to train and want to do an intensive program, this is a great option, one that is yielding rich fruit from the hard soil of New England.

Lakeview Baptist Church internship.  Auburn, AL.  Led by Al Jackson, a renowned pastor, this program has turned out a number of really solid guys I know.  I can’t find a webpage on it (feel free to share it), but here’s a 9Marks profile of the program.  Contact the church for more info.  Great for SBC guys who want a staunchly biblical approach to pastoring.  Holistic, involves a serious commitment, and allows you to do seminary while you intern, which is unique and much-needed.

Here are some other programs that you should know about that also offer excellent ministry training (I think most are unaccredited):

RE:Train through Mars Hill Church.  Seattle, WA.  Just started, with a great faculty (Piper, Ware, and Driscoll, among others). 

Cornhill Training Course.  London, UK.  I know little about the specifics, but I have met a few grads and they are some of the sharpest minds I know when it comes to exegesis and preaching.

Simeon Trust.  Chicago, IL.  I don’t know a great deal about the rudiments of the course, but this is run by great leaders with international connections.  Seems very nicely plotted out, and it’s in Chicago.  Led in America by David Helm.

Sovereign Grace Pastor’s College.  Gaithersburg, MD.  I almost applied to the Pastor’s College some years ago because it seemed to combine an emphasis on head and heart so well.  With instruction by CJ Mahaney, Josh Harris, and Jeff Purswell, this is a great program to consider.  Nine months, I think.


As I said earlier, I’m sure I’ve missed some great internships–please share any you know of in the comments.  Here’s info on a few more from 9Marks, particularly some international opportunities.  You can go all over the world to train for pastoral ministry–maybe you should (particularly if you’re young and single).

And if you want to be a pastor, I think it is absolutely essential that you couple your formal training with a ministry internship in a program of the kind suggested here.  Oftentimes, you’ll learn as much from a great internship as you will from seminary.


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The Link 7.24.09: Mark Driscoll’s Book, Tim Tebow’s Faith, and Martha’s Vineyard

tebow1. Have you seen the new Sports Illustrated profile of University of Florida quarterback Tim Tebow?  If not, here it is.  This guy seems to be the real deal.  An outspoken Christian who loves preaching the gospel.  Encouraging.

2. That street vendor selling hot dogs?  According to the NYT, he’s on Twitter

3. For those of us New Englanders currently living in exile, a brief look at Martha’s Vineyard makes the heart grow fonder

4. The Baptist Messenger of Oklahoma, a Southern Baptist newspaper published since 1912, has just welcomed my friend Doug Baker to its editorship.  Congratulations are in order.

5. Have you heard about the free eBook by Mark Driscoll entitled Pastor Dad?  It looks like a terrific book, especially for men trying to tackle the challenge of spiritual headship of a family.     

–Have a great weekend, all.


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The Link 7.10.09: Calvin, Yoga, and Mars Hill

calvin1. Happy birthday, Jean Calvin.  Kevin DeYoung has some good words on this incredible man.

2. Charles Krauthammer suggests that President Obama’s latest foreign junket did not go as well as some might think.

3. The NYT covers efforts to create a list of registered yoga teachers.  This one can be filed under ironically hilarious.

4. The Mars Hill Church blog has been running a series of testimonies that profile the conversions of members.  Here’s a really good one. This is an incredibly encouraging series, and it shows the immense–incredible!–good that MHC is doing in Seattle.  Praise God for really encouraging news like this.  Praise God for a church that is so tenaciously evangelistic.

5. At 9Marks, a helpful review of a book many of us need to read.  The racial divide in the church is real.  May this generation work hard to heal it.

–Have a great weekend, all.


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The Link 6.19.2009

retrain1. Mark Driscoll and Rick Melson discuss the new Resurgence training center.  Cool training model.  Some of the profs featured in it are to the right (in case you couldn’t tell).

2. W. Bradford Wilcox of National Review has a great article up on “Five Myths of Manhood”.  Interesting stat: for all the talk about “stay-at-home” dads, just one percent of married families with children had one.  And a 2007 Pew study found that only 20% of women with children want to work full-time.  Tuck those figures away.

3. Mike McKinley on sermon introductions.  Looking forward to hearing him and others at the 9Marks/Baptist21 panel at the Southern Baptist Convention next week.  Two organizations doing great things for the kingdom.

4. Did you miss the Piper-Carson media from a while back?  If so, here it is.

5. The whole microfinance thing has led to Harvard students being sponsored by individuals.  Could this be a portent of things to come–students being sponsored by individual donors?  Interesting to think about…

–Have a great weekend, all.

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